terça-feira, dezembro 28, 2004

In Memoriam *

"Mas as crianças, Senhor,
porque lhes dais tanta dor?!...
Porque padecem assim?!..."

In Balada da Neve, Augusto Gil

* Estima-se que cerca de um terço das vítimas do sismo que varreu o Índico há dois dias sejam crianças.
AR

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É difícil ter consciência das proporções. Aquela frase que uma morte é uma tragédia, muitas mortes mera estatística. Parece que hora a hora se "contabiliza" o horror. 15,20,23, já são 25 mil pessoas. Muitas crianças :(
 
Então se não forem crianças não faz mal?
CC
 
CC:
Ser contestatário leva-te por vezes longe (...)! Com as crianças não morre pecado, não morre desonestidade, crime ou injustiça. Com as crianças CC só vai a esperança, a ingenuidade, almas recentes, brancas. Eu penso que é pior.
Numa perspectiva economicista, com as crianças vão anos desperdiçados de energias, de mudanças e revoluções. Vão os ante-projectos de um futuro diferente.
 
Cara Bastet,
eu não sei se os adultos que morreram em consequência do maremoto morreram em pecado, em desonestidade, culpados de crime ou de injustiça. Não sei – nem sequer os conhecia.
O sofrimento e a morte das crianças levanta-nos outro tipo de problemas, filosóficos ou religiosos. No entanto, há muitas sociedades (no Oriente em abundância, em África com mais expressão) que não sobrevalorizam a morte das crianças, como nós fazemos no Ocidente. Há casos em que é mesmo mal visto chorar-se a morte de uma criança. Estão habituados, é certo, às altas taxas de mortalidade infantil, que nós felizmente nos esquecemos. Mas a razão é outra: é que, ao contrário de um adulto, a criança tem pouco passado, poucas experiências comuns, pouca oferta de vida aos outros.
Na nossa sociedade cada vez mais individualista é que as crianças assumem um papel central na família, em redor do qual tudo gira. Além de serem um brinquedo para os pais (basta ouvir as mulheres a falar dos filhos no cabeleireiro ou espreitar as revistas da especialidade para o perceber), ou uma projecção virtual do que eles queriam ter sido, as crianças fazem-lhes companhia. Como um animal de estimação. Como um jogo de computador.
Em resumo, Bastet, mas não tenho mais pena das crianças do que dos adultos.
CC
 
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Caríssimo:
Gostar de uma criança da forma que tu inferes pela pesquisa feita em cabeleireiros e revistas, ou seja reduzindo tudo a uma afectividade egoísta por parte das mães que assim, na tua opinião, reduzem os filhos a meros animais de estimação, revela desconhecimento do carinho e amor ao próximo que existe no cuidar diário quer de uma criança quer de um animal de estimação. Mais fácil é colocarmo-nos numa postura superior e crítica, mas solitária, que não nos exija trabalho, amor, dedicação. A valorização do papel da criança é sem dúvida fruto de uma evolução das mentalidades. Sem dúvida que elas partilharam menos vida que os adultos. E sem dúvida também que é possível chorar mais a morte de um adulto que de uma criança bastando para tal que aquele nos fosse próximo e esta distante. É difícil escolher entre vidas, bem sei, e por isso reservo esse papel para Deus. Mas, para quem cuida diariamente de uma criança (e de animais de estimação), para quem, em detrimento do seu bem estar e conforto pessoal, diariamente abdica de prazeres simples da vida como ler, ir ao cinema, jantar fora, apenas por amor incondicional e sem reservas, para quem aprende com as crianças e com os animais de estimação o que é saber amar e quão grande é a capacidade de amar do ser humano, é difícil não chorar com mais pena a morte das crianças, a morte dos animais (aos quais dedico mais afeição que a uma série de pessoas), tão somente porque nelas e neles creio residir a verdade mais simples do que é a perfeição, a beleza, o amor, valores que nos transmitem numa cega confiança de que nós, os adultos, existimos para os formar, acarinhar, ensinar e, claro (!), valorizá-los mais do que a nós próprios.
 
Realmente é mórbido pensar nas nossas comichões afectivas quando se fala de morte. Mas caro CC nota elementar neste triste episódio é respeitar a sensibilidade de cada um e acho despropositado ripostar com argumentos etnocentricos:(
Se calhar muitos sentem calafrios perante o horror daquela história de uma mãe portuguesa que viu arrancado o seu bebé de 8 meses dos braços, ver aquelas fotografias de crianças não identificadas, se calhar pensam nos próprios filhos. Não se trata de valorar vidas, quais valem mais ou menos. Aos olhos do Deus em que acreditas são todas iguais e igualmente dignas.
É a violência da constatação que os mais fracos vão primeiro (muitas crianças, muitos idosos!) que abala.
 
Ó CC, não devias ter apagado aquele comentário... Tens de te aguentar à bronca!
LR
 
CC:
Julgo que não tenhas feito de propósito.
Pelo menos assim espero!

O teu amigo João Marçalo aka o net pulha
 
Cara Sofia:
Lamento mas entendo que não se tratam de comichões afectivas. Lamento, e assumo, que se trata de valorar vidas. Trata-se pois! Para mim a vida é um bem precioso e não gostaria nunca de ser obrigada a fazer escolhas, mas fá-las-ia, se necessário fosse. Não se trata de serem os mais fracos que vão primeiro (as crianças e os idosos) trata-se de serem as crianças. E não são os argumentos etnocêntricos de etnias nas quais não estou inserida que me fazem alterar o modo de pensar ou sobretudo de sentir. Se tivesse de escolher entre a vida da minha mãe, a minha e a da minha filha escolheria a desta. Não sei o que pensa Deus sobre o assunto, mas sei que Jesus dizia "deixai vir a mim as criancinhas"... com jeitinho creio ver aqui uma escolha.
 
Vamos ver se nos entendemos. O net pulha (dos Alcabrozes), num comentário inadvertidamente apagado, chegava a perguntar se eu gostava de alguém para além de mim. Eu, que nem sequer sei onde ele foi buscar a ideia que eu gosto de mim, só lhe posso responder para aprender a ler. Pelo menos o que escrevo. Mas admito que não fui muito claro.

Minhas caras meninas,
tocam no ponto certo. Eu não sou pai nem tenho qualquer instinto paternal. Mas sei que os pais têm amor pelos filhos. Já ouvi falar nisso. E não quero desvalorizar a atenção dada aos filhos pelos pais. A questão é que o post do AR não fala de filhos, mas de crianças (filhos, sim, mas de outrem).
E o que eu disse é que o facto de nos fazer mais pena a morte ou o sofrimento das crianças do que o dos adultos tem uma razão que merece ser pensada. A Bastet diz que é por causa da inocência das crianças, pela promessa de um futuro. Eu digo que tenho igual ou maior pena pelos adultos (serão culpados de algo? Talvez. E então?) e pelo seu passado.
Para pegar no excelente exemplo que dá a Sofia, é certo que comove a aflição da mãe que viu fugir dos braços o seu bebé e que isso faz pensar nos nossos próprios filhos. E reconheço que não tenho sequer a possibilidade de imaginar a tragédia pessoal que isso envolve. Mas não era menor o nosso calafrio (ou era? e essa é a questão) se, em vez do filho da tal mulher, fosse o seu pai.
 
Este último comentário é meu.
E sim, o apagão do comentário do net pulha foi involuntário - e já reproduzi o seu teor.
CC
 
Para mim era menor!
Assumo.

o net pulha
 
ok. Aceito comentários. Há palavras que caem mal. Este é assunto tão avassalador, na morte dos outros está um pouco da nossa morte, da nossa vida também.
Mas apenas um último ponto, ninguém aqui fez escolhas. Ninguém diz este vai, este não vai (nem mesmo Deus, não é esse o Deus em que acreditava). A mim impressionou-me que os fracos, mesmo no sentido físico da coisa, que não tiveram forças para se agarrar, fossem levados pelo mar. Isso foi o que me sensibilizou e que de forma atabalhoada tentei explicar. A questão da escolha nunca se pôs, este não é o filme a escolha de Sofia. Houve sim um acto brutal da Natureza com gravosas consequências. Muita morte. Todas sofridas por alguém (pais, filhos, netos, irmãos, amigos).
Vejo que com isto há uma inevitável teorização da Morte, de avançar com argumentos. E no entanto este exercício deixa-me muito incómoda... o rest in peace seria muito adequado (para mim também).
 
Sofia:
O filme quanto muito seria a escolha de AR :). Bem sei que não falaste de escolhas mas falei eu. Eu e a etnia em que estou inserida (a dos gatos entenda-se) que nem sequer percebo porque será um menosprezo tratar um filho como um animal de estimação :).
Quanto ao resto concordo:
Rest in peace.
 
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